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somewhereskies thank you for your

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the authenticity of ufo cases is usually

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judged by the credibility of both the

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witnesses and those who investigate the

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case

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this is no different when it comes to

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the highly controversial topic of alien

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abductions

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and this was certainly the case for a

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series of events that happened to three

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women from stanford kentucky in 1976

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and it all started with a birthday party

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this is the abduction of the stanford

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three

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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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it was january 6 1976.

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it was mona stafford's 36th birthday

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she was joined by her best friends

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louise smith and elaine thomas to

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celebrate the event and just have a

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friendly dinner together

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the three friends took their dinner

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plans to the redwood restaurant which

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was located south of lancaster kentucky

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35 miles from their hometown of liberty

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kentucky

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as the three finished their dinner they

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started what they thought would be a

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nice pleasant drive back to their homes

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leaving the redwood restaurant at 11 15

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pm the three women were in a jovial mood

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as louise smith sat behind the wheel of

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her 1967 chevy nova

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none of the women had anything to drink

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that night of the alcoholic persuasion

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leaving stanford and heading for

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houstonville on highway 78 the three

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women suddenly saw a bright red object

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in the clear night sky

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whatever this object was frightened mona

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who thought it might have been an

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airplane on fire and heading in for a

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crash landing

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as the glowing object came closer smith

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lost control of the automobile the

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little chevy was now going 85 miles per

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hour a speed never traveled by smith

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in a panic she cried out i can't hold

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the car on the road

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mona reached over and tried to help her

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thinking that something was wrong with

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the steering wheel

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but she couldn't control it either

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the car continued its high rate of speed

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without deviation

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later luis would state quote my foot

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wasn't even on the gas pedal

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suddenly the unknown object was very

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close to the car

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it followed from behind for a short time

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then flipped on its end coming extremely

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close to the driver's side

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all three women would later recall the

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same thing

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what they were looking at was an

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enormous metallic disc shaped object

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with a dome on top and a ring of red

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lights around its midsection

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the women all saw it close enough to see

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a yellow blinking light on its

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this metallic disc shaped object hung

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over the driver's side of the car for a

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time before it moved ahead of it on the

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highway

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as it did a bluish white light shot into

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the car lighting up the entire interior

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of the vehicle

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later mrs smith would describe the

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inside of their car as being filled with

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a quote haze like air sort of like a fog

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in mere seconds all three women suffered

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from a burning sensation so strong that

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they cannot open their eyes because of

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how truly bright it was

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the last thing in the memory of smith

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stafford and thomas was being backed

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into a pasture entrance in a crazy

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the entry was flanked on both sides by

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one hour and 20 minutes later the three

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found themselves back in the little

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chevy again driving towards liberty

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they were shaken and tense with exposed

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areas of flesh painful from the burns

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the three frightened women finally

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arrived at mrs smith's home and when

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they entered they noticed that the clock

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in the kitchen showed 1 20 am

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confirming the trip of 35 miles had

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taken just over two hours

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normally it took about 45 minutes

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they immediately went to the house of

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their neighbor lowell lee who confirmed

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that the time truly was 1 20 am

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confused as to what to do next the women

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the next day they also phoned the navy

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recruiting station

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neither of the two calls afforded them

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any aid

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the navy station did give some of the

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details of the event to a lexington tv

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and not soon after the story quickly

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reached the press and was given headline

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the mutual ufo network or mufon

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investigator jerry black heard the story

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of the event and immediately went to

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work to gain some more details

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black called the three women and asked

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for an interview

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but smith stafford and thomas were

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reluctant at first to relive the event

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or to have ufo strangers in their home

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after a few more calls and convincing

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and the offering of his sympathy and

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compassion for their experience the

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three witnesses agreed to an interview

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with jerry black

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black invited mrs peggy schnell of

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blanchester ohio to attend

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she also had experience with these kinds

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of cases and black felt that the three

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women might feel more comfortable

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speaking with a female investigator

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the first meeting was more or less an

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ice-breaking session but several very

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important facts were revealed

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black stated that the three women were

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all obviously in physical pain and they

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all were chain smoking which they

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attributed to the experience

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all three had an insatiable thirst and

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all claimed excessive weight loss since

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the event

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they also gave some details on their

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observations of the craft

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its structure and its behavior

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they would also discuss some of the ill

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effects that they had sustained

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these memories were painful to all three

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and they tried to recall details in

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hopes that someone might be able to help

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them

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naturally there were some psychological

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problems in the aftermath of this

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experience

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mrs smith was having difficulty in

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performing her everyday duties as an

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assistant for the casey county extension

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mrs stafford was not only suffering from

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an eye inflammation but she was also

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desperate to know what happened during

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the missing time

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the three women were assured that they

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would be able to undergo regressive

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hypnosis and uncover their missing time

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therefore alleviating some if not all of

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their emotional stress

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several things were evident to both

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black and chanel during this first

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meeting

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all three witnesses were sincere about

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what they'd experienced

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and that they were suffering from the

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so-called beam of light that had entered

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their car

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and there were obvious physical scars

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from the encounter

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stafford's eyes were horribly irritated

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and they burned constantly

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as for smith she had a mark on the nape

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of her neck it was roundish and had a

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pinkish gray color to it the size of a

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half dollar in fact all three women had

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this same type of burn on their necks

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here is louise smith describing these

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physical effects and my neck was burning

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oh it was hurting so bad you know and i

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asked mona to look at my neck

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then we all got to comparing you know

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because we were all burning and hurting

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we looked at our necks you know i looked

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at monas and all we each had a mark on

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her neck about

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three inches long and an inch wide

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that just the top layer of skin looked

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like it had been removed

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so we did go to the doctor and he told

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us that we definitely

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was exposed to something like radiation

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that could have been the reason for the

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burning

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for the hurting in mona's eyes

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another unusual revelation that came

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from this meeting was the strange

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reaction of mrs smith's parakeet when

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smith first arrived home after the

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experience instead of her usual happy

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greeting from the parakeet she received

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a frightening reaction

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it flew into the side of its cage and

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fluttered its wings in a wild display of

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fear

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smith proclaimed that since the first

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night home the bird would have

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absolutely nothing to do with her

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further tests were conducted in the

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presence of other birds and when other

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people drew near the birds were

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perfectly normal but when mrs smith came

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they too panicked

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unfortunately and mysteriously smith's

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parakeet would die of unknown causes in

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march of that same year

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this uncanny reaction was not the only

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one to come from smith's presence

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the minute hand of her wristwatch began

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to rapidly spin around its dial

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also the following week after the

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sighting when she touched her bedroom

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alarm clock it stopped working all

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together

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another quirky problem was noticed when

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louise smith's car developed electrical

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problems

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driving to work she was stopped by

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police who informed her that the signal

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lights were not working

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but the most crucial problem of all of

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this was the general ill health and

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weakness of the three unwilling

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witnesses of this extraordinary event

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because of this investigators agreed

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that at least for the time being no

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other details of the event would be

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released

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walter andrus of the mutual ufo network

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and dr j ellen heineck of kufos the

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center for ufo studies were both

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informed of the case

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and both agreed to wait for details

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until the three women were in better

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condition

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after the initial interviews the

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investigators involved were convinced

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that the three women's story was

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disturbing yet solid as could be

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there was no doubt in anyone's mind that

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these three well-respected women mature

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and mentally stable had seen something

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so out of the ordinary and the fact that

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there was missing time involved had to

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be explored

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an abduction was on the minds of the

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principal investigators

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j ellen heineck was called upon to

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provide a professional psychiatrist to

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perform aggressive hypnosis on all three

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of the women

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unfortunately lack of funding was a big

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part of the decision as to who would be

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called upon

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none of the noted doctors who dealt with

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these types of situations lived anywhere

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near the state of kentucky

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a well-respected ufologist and physician

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dr leo sprinkle was considered

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sprinkle was a consultant for the aerial

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phenomena research organization or apro

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but he was not called upon because he

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lived in wyoming

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but in a stroke of good fortune dr

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sprinkle heard of the case and dropped

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everything to go to kentucky

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when smith stafford and thomas were

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contacted about sprinkles desire to help

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them they first refused not knowing of

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sprinkles reputation

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at this time the three women though

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needing help clearly were still under

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the impression that in time their

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problems would pass

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and to involve more and more people into

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the story would only prolong the agony

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while not knowing of dr sprinkle the

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three women had heard of jim and coral

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lorenzen of apro

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and this well-respected husband and wife

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team were called in to try to ease the

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fears of this story being released

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nationally a promise was made to the

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three women that the regressive hypnosis

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procedure and its results would not be

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released to any of the ufo groups for

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publication until a time that they felt

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comfortable with it

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an agreement was made and a date was set

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for the regressive hypnosis

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dr sprinkle an investigator's black and

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schnell and a few others were all

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present for the initial session

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all of those in attendance reaffirmed

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their good intentions of keeping the

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story under wraps until the three women

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authorized its release

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at this time only one of three would

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consent to the hypnosis mrs stafford

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a silence fell across the room as dr

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sprinkle began his methodical

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professional way of easing stafford's

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fear

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in a slow cautious manner stafford began

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to recall the events of that terrifying

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night she was able to relive her

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interpretation of seeing what she

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thought was an airplane crashing she was

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not able to go any further at this first

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session as tears rolled down her cheeks

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and exhaustion set in

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after the session dr sprinkles stated

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that stafford was still in a

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post-hypnotic state and that she should

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be questioned very carefully and

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cautiously

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after the first hypnosis black continued

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to ask questions

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of both smith and thomas

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mona moved away from the others to rest

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another interviewer began to show

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stafford some drawings of aliens

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however the word alien had not been

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mentioned in the case before this time

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out of respect to the three and also not

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to lead them in any way mona sat

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and silently looked at the pictures

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and then in a dramatic fashion she

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proclaimed

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this looks like the light i saw

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it it was shaped like that head

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pointing to a specific alien on the

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sheet of paper

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mona sat for a time thinking about that

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night

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then she added to her previous statement

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yes

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i can see the face now but it it doesn't

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seem solid

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it comes and goes

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i mean it fades and reappears like in a

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fog

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its eyes are

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far apart and at the bottom

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the chin

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is like that drawing

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at this time she had remembered all she

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could

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but it was more than enough for the

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investigators to believe that there had

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been a breakthrough

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there was now no doubt in their minds at

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least that an alien abduction had taken

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dr sprinkle was notified the next day of

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the revelations from mona and was sent

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the alien picture that she identified

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her statements were locked and sent

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along as well

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there would be a lapse in the

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investigation at this point

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several months went by without probing

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any deeper into the hidden facts of the

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case

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investigators

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did keep in constant touch with the

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three women abate in a friendly fashion

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careful not to push them too soon the

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three were still locked in fear their

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physical problems continued and so did

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the weight loss

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dr sprinkle and j ellen heineck all the

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while were still dealing with the

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problem of funds and trying to find a

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solution to helping these three ladies

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also investigators were constantly being

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prodded for more information on the

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stanford three

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and as per their agreement they refused

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to release any information

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while others involved in the case were

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still trying to find solutions for the

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financial shortfall it would be

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investigator black who would find that

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solution

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after lengthy discussions with a

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national enquirer he had struck an

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agreement with the tabloid

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the enquirer would finance a return trip

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for dr sprinkle to complete his

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regressive hypnosis

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and lie detector tests would be

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conducted as well

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if the results would verify an abduction

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the inquirer would have exclusive rights

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to publishing the story

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also the three women would receive

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compensation

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black made the move because of concern

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to the health of the three women

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and also to accumulate facts for the

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benefit

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of ufo research groups

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there was renewed optimism with the

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inquirer deal and there was hope that

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the hidden facts of that night would

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soon be uncovered

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the next hypnosis session was scheduled

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for the brown motel in liberty kentucky

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on june 23 1976.

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newly present at this meeting was

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well-known ufo investigator bob pratt of

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the enquirer

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left much to be desired pratt himself

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was regarded as an honest sincere man

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pratt had earlier attempted to get

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details of the stanford case but was

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denied access because of the earlier

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agreement of a news blackout

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the first order of business on this day

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would be the lie detector testing

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[Music]

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do you like stories of the strange the

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weird and the unexplained then we want

471
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you to check out jim harold's campfire

472
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the concept is pretty simple jim talks

473
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to regular people about strange stuff

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that happens to them and yes that

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includes ufos along with cryptids ghosts

476
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and head scratchers he doesn't

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exaggerate or play a lot of spooky music

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kind of like i'm doing right now the

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stories speak for themselves one's like

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a ghost story involving serial killer

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ted bundy or the young man who

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encountered an eight-legged demon then

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there's the story of an alien abduction

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by what could be considered a reptilian

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now not all the stories are horrifying

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some are actually pretty heartwarming

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like a visit from a past loved one or a

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peaceful near-death experience

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regardless these are true and

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fascinating stories told by ordinary

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people who've had extraordinary

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experiences

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tune in to jim harold's campfire on

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apple podcasts spotify or wherever you

495
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listen to somewhere in the skies and

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remember

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a detective for the lexington police

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department james young was hired to head

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the polygraph part of the session

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recognized as an expert in the field

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young began his testing of the three

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women all done privately for each of the

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three

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young was actually a great choice for

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these sessions

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because he was a skeptic as far as ufo

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stories went

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the tests themselves were lengthy

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leaving no room for anything but a

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conclusive result whether good or bad

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after the tests were all completed young

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emerged from the room with an expression

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of utter amazement it is in my expertise

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opinion that louise smith elaine thomas

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and mona stafford were being truthful

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throughout their entire rigorous testing

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there was not a single hint of deception

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detected

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i can fully admit my skepticism going

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into these tests but that skepticism was

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immediately erased after the testing of

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next would be dr sprinkle's hypnotic

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regression

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three women showed the emotional turmoil

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they were enduring

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the details of what occurred on that

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harrowing night came slowly hauntingly

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to the surface

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here is an actual clip of luis thomas

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during one of these sessions with dr

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sprinkle it was right over

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it's right over you

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okay

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[Music]

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didn't know what it was

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really frightening

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so frightening it's hard to look at

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[Music]

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the light hurts your eyes

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[Music]

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i can't control my car

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can't control the car

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that's frightening because you can't

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control the car there's nothing wrong

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with it

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what's happening to the car

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i'm going to keep going

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and call the wheel

549
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so i wanted to help you hold on to the

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but i don't have my foot on the

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and still the car's going

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the car shows 85 miles an hour

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[Music]

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what's wrong with my car

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i can't understand

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as the hypnosis sessions continued more

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details about these beings would be

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brought to the surface

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the characteristics of the being's form

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seemed to be vague and often

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indescribable

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all three related shadowy figures which

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floated or glided by them they also

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recalled the frightening one eye or two

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eyes which also hovered over them

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mona stafford made an unusual statement

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in describing an eye exam i could see a

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light at the end of a tunnel

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which looked like a volcano with a

570
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:27,279
jagged edge

571
00:26:33,029 --> 00:26:30,240
at this point she described great pain

572
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:33,039
in her eyes almost as if they'd been

573
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:34,720
pulled out

574
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:37,679
mona recalled a single bright purple eye

575
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:40,640
that radiated lightning like rays

576
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:42,880
elaine also joined the other two in

577
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:45,840
describing these strange events

578
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:48,159
she remembered two eyes from a round

579
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:51,120
head in deep darkness

580
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:53,840
one eye she said was a beautiful blue

581
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:56,559
and the other eye appeared dark

582
00:27:01,590 --> 00:26:58,799
louise saw several different forms of

583
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:01,600
beings during her ordeal but she was so

584
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:04,320
frightened that she closed her eyes and

585
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:07,440
didn't look at them however some months

586
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:10,159
later she described her vision of the

587
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:12,400
humanoids in similar fashion to her

588
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:14,799
friends adding that their hands looked

589
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:17,200
like jagged wing tips

590
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:20,000
here she is going into further detail on

591
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:21,360
the beams

592
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:22,720
they were

593
00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:26,320
about four to four and a half feet tall

594
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:28,720
and they wore a dark

595
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:30,480
tight-fitted suit

596
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:32,720
and a hood

597
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:35,520
the hood was tight-fitted also you know

598
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:38,159
the only thing visible was the eyes

599
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:40,240
they were very huge

600
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:42,480
and pointed more to the temple not

601
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:45,279
straight across like our eyes would be

602
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:46,720
there was

603
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:48,399
a notorious

604
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:51,600
it was almost like a mold

605
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:53,360
have you ever smelled a refrigerator

606
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:55,520
that's been fastened up

607
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:57,679
that with no electric for a long time

608
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:00,080
you know and you open that door

609
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:03,600
and you get this kind of moldy

610
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:04,960
smell

611
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:08,240
and i have never been asked this

612
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:10,960
question but now as an opportunity to

613
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:13,279
bring this out also

614
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:17,200
the odor itself i smelled stronger

615
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:19,600
when the beings

616
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:22,000
were near me

617
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:24,080
and when they looked at me we did not

618
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:27,120
talk verbally like we're talking now

619
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:30,480
it was a telepathy type thing

620
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:31,360
and

621
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:33,279
i would tell myself i'm not going to

622
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:35,360
look at them but there was no way i

623
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:38,080
could resist you know

624
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:40,640
all three regressions were extremely

625
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:43,200
emotional and terrifying for the

626
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:45,039
stanford 3.

627
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:48,159
in the 25th volume in issue 4 of the

628
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,000
apro bulletin of october of 1976 a

629
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:54,240
summary of these regressions performed

630
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:57,360
by dr sprinkle were published

631
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:01,200
these were several of his findings

632
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:03,279
mrs smith suffered much as she relived

633
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:05,679
the experience the behaviors such as

634
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:07,600
weeping moaning tossing her head

635
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:09,679
shuddering and shaking were evident to

636
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,000
those of us who observed her especially

637
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:14,640
as she seemed to relive an experience of

638
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:17,440
a fluid material covering her face her

639
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:19,440
smile and evident relief and seeing the

640
00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:21,840
streetlight at the end of her hour and a

641
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:23,600
half loss of time experience was

642
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:25,679
dramatic and indicated that she was safe

643
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:27,919
in the car once again and returning home

644
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:29,760
with her friends

645
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:31,600
sprinkled then goes on to recount

646
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:34,320
luisa's claim that her pet parakeet who

647
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:36,080
according to her claims and the claims

648
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:38,720
of others who observed the bird refused

649
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:40,480
to have anything to do with her after

650
00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:42,640
the ufo experience

651
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:45,200
and as mentioned earlier the bird died

652
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:49,279
within weeks after the ufo experience

653
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:51,919
according to sprinkle concerning mona

654
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:54,559
stafford he would state that she

655
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:55,840
responded well to the hypnotic

656
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:57,919
suggestions and she was able to describe

657
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:59,520
impressions which led her to believe

658
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:01,200
that she had been taken out of the car

659
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:03,200
and that she was alone on a white table

660
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:06,240
or bed she saw a large eye which seemed

661
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:08,799
to be observing her she felt as if a

662
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:10,880
bright light was shining on her and that

663
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:12,480
there was a power or energy which

664
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:14,399
transfixed her and held her to the table

665
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,480
or bed she experienced a variety of

666
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:18,480
physiological reactions including the

667
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,320
impression that her right arm was pinned

668
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:23,039
or fastened her left leg forced back and

669
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:24,880
under her with pain to the ankle and

670
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:27,120
foot pressure on the fingers of her left

671
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:29,600
hand as if they were forced or squeezed

672
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:31,600
in some way a feeling of being examined

673
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:34,159
by four or five short humanoids who sat

674
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:36,399
around in surgical masks and surgical

675
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:38,240
garments while observing her at one

676
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:39,919
point she sensed that she was either

677
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:42,000
experiencing out of the body travel or

678
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:44,000
else she was waiting outside of a large

679
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:45,760
room in which she could view another

680
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,399
person probably a woman lying on a white

681
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:50,480
bed or observation table she perceived a

682
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:53,039
long tunnel or view of the sky as if she

683
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:55,200
had been transported to the area inside

684
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:57,360
a large mountain or volcano although she

685
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:59,279
wept and moaned and experienced a great

686
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:00,799
deal of fatigue as a result of the

687
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:02,799
reliving of the experience she felt

688
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:04,480
better the next day she expressed the

689
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:06,559
belief to me that she now had a better

690
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:08,320
understanding of what happened during

691
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:10,480
the loss of time experience

692
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:13,600
as for mrs thomas dr sprinkle would have

693
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:15,919
this to say mrs thomas had been rather

694
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:17,360
quiet during the initial interview in

695
00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:19,840
march of 1976 although it was obvious

696
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:21,519
that she was perceptive and aware of

697
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:23,200
other people's attitudes and feelings

698
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:25,039
like the others she has lost weight but

699
00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:26,159
she has also experienced some

700
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:28,399
personality changes she dresses a bit

701
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:29,840
more colorfully now and she is more

702
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:31,840
willing to talk and share her ideas with

703
00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:33,760
others she too experienced a similar

704
00:31:37,269 --> 00:31:35,679
reaction during the hypnotic techniques

705
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:37,279
she apparently was responding well to

706
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,279
suggestions to go deeper when she

707
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:41,279
relived the ufo experience she

708
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:43,279
experienced a great deal of emotional

709
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:45,039
reaction her main impression was that

710
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:46,960
she was taken away from her two friends

711
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:48,559
and that she was placed in a chamber

712
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:50,399
with a window on the side she seemed to

713
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:52,320
recall figures which moved back and

714
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:54,159
forth and from the window of the chamber

715
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:56,240
as if she were being observed her

716
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:57,919
impression was that the observers were

717
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:00,320
four foot tall humanoids with dark eyes

718
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:03,039
and gray skin one disturbing aspect of

719
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:04,880
the experience was the memory that she

720
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:07,519
had some kind of contraption or covering

721
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:09,200
that was placed around her neck whenever

722
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:10,880
she tried to speak or think the

723
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:12,880
contraption or covering was tightened

724
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:14,720
and she experienced a choking sensation

725
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:16,799
during these moments at first mrs thomas

726
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:18,559
interpreted the memories as indication

727
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:20,559
that she was being choked by hands or

728
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:22,080
she was being prevented from calling out

729
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:24,240
to her friends later however she came to

730
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:26,000
the tentative conclusion that an

731
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:27,840
experiment was being conducted and the

732
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:29,600
experiment was to learn more about her

733
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:32,000
intellectual and emotional processes she

734
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:34,799
recalled a bullet-shaped object about an

735
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:36,799
inch and one-half in diameter being

736
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:38,960
placed on her left chest she previously

737
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:41,039
had experienced pain and a red spot at

738
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:43,039
that location during polygraph

739
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:45,120
examination and during initial hypnotic

740
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:47,279
sessions each ufo witness was

741
00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:49,039
interviewed separately from the other

742
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:51,039
witnesses after the initial description

743
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:52,960
of impressions the women were invited to

744
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:54,799
attend the additional hypnosis sessions

745
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:56,480
so that each woman could observe the

746
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:58,320
reactions of the other two women during

747
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:00,320
these sessions there was much emotional

748
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:02,399
reaction which seemed to arise from two

749
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:04,000
conditions the compassion of the

750
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:05,360
witnesses for the friend who was

751
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:07,279
reliving the experience and releasing

752
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:09,519
emotional reactions to the experience

753
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:12,159
also it seemed as if the description by

754
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:14,559
one witness would trigger a memory on

755
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:16,399
the part of another witness even if the

756
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:18,240
experiences seem to be similar or

757
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:19,679
different

758
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:23,039
in his conclusive paragraphs dr sprinkle

759
00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:25,440
reports in my opinion the ufo

760
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:27,519
experiences of these women are a good

761
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:28,960
example of the type of apparent

762
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:30,799
abduction and examination which seems to

763
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:33,360
be occurring to more ufo witnesses

764
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:34,960
i believe that the investigation could

765
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:36,880
be continued with the hopes of attaining

766
00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:38,159
further information about their

767
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:40,399
experiences however the present evidence

768
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:42,000
suggests to me that the women have

769
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:44,080
cooperated sincerely and openly in

770
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,240
describing their reactions to their ufo

771
00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:48,320
sightings and loss of time experience

772
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:50,080
and the polygraph examination and

773
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:52,159
hypnotic regression sessions have been

774
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:54,240
useful in uncovering their impressions

775
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:56,159
of the ufo sighting and subsequent

776
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:57,919
events i believe the case is a good

777
00:34:01,830 --> 00:34:00,159
example of ufo experiences because of

778
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,840
the number and character of the

779
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:03,600
witnesses and because the results of

780
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:05,279
further investigation through polygraph

781
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:07,360
examination and hypnotic regression

782
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:09,520
sessions

783
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:11,679
all of the women were taken aboard some

784
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:14,560
type of craft and subjected to physical

785
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:16,079
examinations

786
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:17,599
according to them

787
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:20,879
these examinations were harsh in nature

788
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:23,200
and while there was not any sexual

789
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:25,119
components any of it during the

790
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:27,760
abduction they were restrained in

791
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:30,399
embarrassing humiliating positions

792
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:32,399
according to all three

793
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:34,720
mrs smith would reveal that her exam

794
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:38,000
took place on a table mrs thomas's were

795
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:40,720
inside of a capsule with an unusual

796
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:42,720
looking noose-like device around her

797
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:45,760
neck which tightened painfully if she

798
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:47,280
tried to speak

799
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:50,240
mrs stafford's exam was in a chair-like

800
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:51,760
device

801
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:53,919
all three of the women recalled having

802
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:57,119
their body scanned in instruments used

803
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:00,480
which exerted pressure on their limbs

804
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:02,880
mrs thomas recalled a tube with a

805
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:05,440
bullet-like tip on it which probed her

806
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:06,640
chest

807
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:08,960
and she also recalled a warm liquid

808
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:11,520
being applied to her face and body

809
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:14,000
mrs stafford also recalled the warm

810
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:15,280
liquid

811
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:18,079
one fact that all three agreed on was

812
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:20,480
that these beings communicated with them

813
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:22,400
by telepathy

814
00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:24,800
not once was an entity mentioned to have

815
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:26,800
any type of mouth

816
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:28,640
some interesting facts about the craft

817
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:31,599
itself were revealed by mona stafford

818
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:33,520
when asked to elaborate on her

819
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:37,359
description of the tunnel or volcano she

820
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,599
would now add to previous information

821
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:41,520
that she was looking through a tunnel

822
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:44,720
which lit up into a room brightly

823
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:46,720
she could see a square table with a

824
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:49,680
helpless woman on it surrounded by small

825
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:51,839
figures clad in white

826
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:54,400
the small beings were closely examining

827
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:55,599
this woman

828
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:58,560
in her own words i'm not sure if the

829
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:00,720
person was elaine or

830
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:02,320
lou

831
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:03,200
or

832
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:05,599
maybe even me

833
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:08,320
while it's almost never argued that the

834
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:11,280
stanford 3 had a close encounter with

835
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:14,400
some sort of craft that night it can be

836
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:18,160
argued about the entire abduction angle

837
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:20,320
to all of this

838
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:23,440
the 1970s were rich with landmark

839
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:25,280
abduction cases

840
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:28,240
including the 1973 pascagoula

841
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:31,440
mississippi incident the 1975 travis

842
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:35,599
walton incident and the 1976 allagash

843
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:37,520
maine abduction

844
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:40,800
in ufo lore this period became known as

845
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:44,640
the humanoid era and also coined the

846
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:47,440
period of high strangeness

847
00:36:52,270 --> 00:36:49,920
some skeptics have pointed out that the

848
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:52,280
timeline of the kentucky case was

849
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:55,200
suspiciously close to two highly

850
00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:57,119
publicized events

851
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first the betty and barney hale case

852
00:37:05,230 --> 00:37:02,280
from 1961 was made into a

853
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:05,240
made-for-television movie in october of

854
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1975. the film which starred james earl

855
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:12,480
jones made a splash on nbc just 10 weeks

856
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:15,599
prior to the experiences of mona elaine

857
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and luis

858
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:20,480
the second event was in early 1976 when

859
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,280
the national enquirer upped its reward

860
00:37:27,870 --> 00:37:25,920
to a million dollars for definitive

861
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:27,880
proof of the existence of

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00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:30,160
extraterrestrial life

863
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:32,800
furthermore many skeptics including

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00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:35,760
susan clancy who published the book

865
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:38,480
abducted how people came to believe they

866
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:40,640
were kidnapped by aliens

867
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:42,640
she adhered to the principle that

868
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hypnosis is a poor technique for trying

869
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:48,160
to filter memories

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00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:50,560
here she is commenting on this during a

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00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:54,880
lecture from microsoft research in 2016.

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00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:57,440
so in my research we found about 10 of

873
00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:00,160
believers go on to actually develop

874
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:02,320
these vivid powerful emotionally

875
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:04,720
distressing memories and

876
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:08,240
all of them underwent some form of

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hypnosis or a hypnotic regression

878
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:13,760
technique or a

879
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:16,000
regression technique or i mean it goes

880
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:18,320
by different names but they end up in

881
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:20,560
abduction researchers offices or

882
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:24,000
psychotherapist offices and they are put

883
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:26,800
through various pseudo-therapeutic

884
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:28,880
techniques designed to help them

885
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:31,200
retrieve the memories of what they fear

886
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,280
happen to them and it is during those

887
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:35,760
techniques that they get these vivid

888
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:37,839
powerful memories of what happened for

889
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:39,839
them they believe what happened because

890
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:41,359
they have the memories and the memories

891
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:44,640
feel very real but the problem is three

892
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:47,760
decades of memory research shows that

893
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:51,200
hypnosis or any technique like hypnosis

894
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,320
that lulls you into a relaxed

895
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:56,640
suggestible state one in which your

896
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:59,119
normal reality constraints are relaxed

897
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:00,960
any technique that lulls you into that

898
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:03,920
state you run the risk of creating false

899
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:09,270
after all of the revelations of the

900
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:11,760
stanford three there remain no doubt

901
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:14,320
that something extraordinary happened on

902
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:15,839
that night

903
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:18,720
several profound claims were put on the

904
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:21,839
table the three women had encountered a

905
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:24,640
flying craft of unknown origin they had

906
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:28,560
been abducted by beings unknown but in

907
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:31,680
all cases no matter how believable it

908
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:34,160
always helps if other witnesses came

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00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:35,760
forward

910
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:39,359
and indeed that is what happened

911
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:43,040
this case had other observers of the ufo

912
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:46,320
that night independent of stafford smith

913
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:48,079
and thomas

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00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:50,800
these sightings occurred in casey and

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00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:53,440
lincoln counties kentucky within a

916
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:55,040
couple of hundred yards of the

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00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:57,599
abductions one couple watched from the

918
00:40:03,510 --> 00:39:59,920
window of their home where they saw a

919
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:03,520
large luminous object which passed over

920
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:05,599
the stanford area

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00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:09,200
this occurred about 11 30 pm

922
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:11,920
other observers reported also describing

923
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:15,359
a ring of reddish orange lights around a

924
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:17,680
disc-shaped flying object

925
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:20,800
two teenagers out for a joyride stated

926
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:24,000
that they chased a low-flying ufo after

927
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:26,480
it had hovered over a manufacturing

928
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:28,400
plant in stanford

929
00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:30,800
they chased the strange object all the

930
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:33,920
way to danville kentucky and there they

931
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:36,960
reported the object to the police

932
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:39,520
another very significant report came

933
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:42,000
from the owner of the property where the

934
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:45,359
three women's abduction took place

935
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:47,760
the farmer stated that down the road

936
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:50,720
from his house he witnessed an unusually

937
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:52,400
low-flying object

938
00:40:56,309 --> 00:40:54,960
which shot a white beam of light to the

939
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:56,319
ground

940
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:58,800
could this in fact have been the precise

941
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:01,520
time of the abduction itself

942
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:04,880
the stanford 3 case or as it's also

943
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:07,680
known as the kentucky 3 abduction

944
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:10,400
sparked many headlines and new segments

945
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:13,040
throughout the years most notably that

946
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:16,480
of lex 18 the nbc news affiliate in

947
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:18,880
lexington kentucky the women say that

948
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:21,359
their car finally stopped after going

949
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:24,400
nearly 85 miles per hour but the car

950
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:26,960
didn't stop entirely in fact they say it

951
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:29,440
backed up heading towards a very dark

952
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:32,240
area an unknown farm to all three of the

953
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:34,960
women what happened after that forever

954
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:37,760
is written in ufo history

955
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:40,240
regressive hypnosis at the brown motel

956
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:42,720
in casey county took the women back to

957
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:44,640
the strange darkness

958
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:47,119
a lexington police detective gave mona

959
00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:50,160
louise and elaine polygraph tests

960
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:52,720
after the session everyone involved

961
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:55,280
found the women to be truthful while the

962
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:57,119
hypnosis helped the women it did not

963
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:59,040
explain why they could not fit the

964
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:01,119
unexplained experience in their natural

965
00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:03,760
lives over the years mona stafford

966
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:06,079
wanted to talk about what happened but

967
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:08,560
elaine and louise didn't like to and

968
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:11,280
when they passed away mona was left to

969
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:13,680
ponder alone

970
00:42:18,309 --> 00:42:15,599
but this wasn't the only mainstream

971
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,319
coverage this incident would receive

972
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,640
elizabeth orndorff a danville

973
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:22,800
kentucky-based playwright would write a

974
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:25,520
stage play inspired by the events of the

975
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:27,040
stanford iii

976
00:42:31,790 --> 00:42:29,760
the play titled high strangeness

977
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:31,800
premiered in danville in september of

978
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:33,520
2010.

979
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:36,000
elizabeth orendorf shares with us what

980
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,480
it was like researching the case

981
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:40,800
actually meeting one of the three women

982
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:43,760
mona stafford and also speaking with the

983
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:45,760
navy recruiter who originally

984
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:48,000
investigated the case

985
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:50,400
and elizabeth also shares with us what

986
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:52,640
it was like telling the story for the

987
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:55,760
stage of the kentucky three i first

988
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:58,960
heard about the kentucky three incident

989
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:01,280
from a newspaper article

990
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:04,480
in our local danville kentucky newspaper

991
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:06,720
it was in one of the looking back

992
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,079
articles of 30 years ago 25 years ago it

993
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:12,480
got my attention immediately and

994
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:14,480
compelled me to write a play about it

995
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:17,359
because it was within 15 miles of where

996
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:20,000
i lived and people around here are very

997
00:43:26,309 --> 00:43:23,040
interested in plays about kentucky and i

998
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:26,319
had always been interested in ufos

999
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:27,680
aliens

1000
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:29,920
any of that sort of thing it had always

1001
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,359
fascinated me

1002
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:33,839
i was definitely

1003
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:36,960
interested after finding out that one of

1004
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:39,200
the three ladies

1005
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:42,720
who had been involved in the abduction

1006
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:46,079
was still alive and living about 35

1007
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:48,560
miles away so that all kind of came

1008
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:51,359
together this would make a great play

1009
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:54,319
the last woman of the three who was

1010
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:56,640
living mona stafford from liberty

1011
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:58,000
kentucky

1012
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:00,160
uh was in her 70s

1013
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:03,200
and i found out that she was alive and i

1014
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:05,440
even talked to the newspaper reporter

1015
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:07,280
who had done the original article she

1016
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:09,839
was still writing for the danville paper

1017
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:11,440
so i met with her and got all the

1018
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:15,200
details about mona and then eventually

1019
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,839
met mona that was that was fascinating

1020
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:19,680
to hear a first-person

1021
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:23,280
account of being abducted by aliens that

1022
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:26,720
was fascinating the other person that uh

1023
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:28,880
was wonderful to meet and it was by

1024
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:30,880
accident i found out he still lived in

1025
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:33,359
danville was roger compton who was the

1026
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:36,240
navy recruiter that the three women went

1027
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:39,119
to and reported the incident they wanted

1028
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:40,880
to report it to someone in the

1029
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:43,119
government in uniform and the only

1030
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:44,960
person they could think of was the navy

1031
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:47,920
local navy recruiter and that man still

1032
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:51,280
vividly remembered the incident and

1033
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:53,680
was able to recall it and talk about it

1034
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:55,760
at great length the

1035
00:45:02,790 --> 00:44:59,440
k-3 case seems to be one of the most

1036
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:02,800
important alien abduction cases because

1037
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:05,440
it was so well documented roger compton

1038
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:07,520
always said he truly believed that the

1039
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:08,880
three ladies

1040
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:12,319
believed what they said

1041
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,119
although it's been over 45 years since

1042
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:17,520
this case there has been not one

1043
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:19,440
negative comment on the details

1044
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:22,640
presented by mona stafford louis smith

1045
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:25,280
or elaine thomas

1046
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:27,839
and the stanford kentucky abduction is

1047
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:29,920
still considered one of the best

1048
00:45:34,170 --> 00:45:32,880
documented abduction cases in ufo

1049
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:34,180
history

1050
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:48,790
special thanks to our voice over actors

1051
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:51,760
in this episode to christopher soucy

1052
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:54,960
rebecca young and stefan gerhart

1053
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:57,200
links to their work can be found in the

1054
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:59,119
show notes

1055
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:01,680
and also a special thanks to playwright

1056
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:04,720
elizabeth orndorff her work can also be

1057
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:07,119
found in the links in the show notes

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00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:08,880
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